Montgomery Ward 45

Hello folks, I was shopping for a Stanley 45 and had a chance to get this plane.
montgumery ward plane
It is a Montgomery ward Lakeside 84-695. I got it for $150.
I researched the history of the Lakeside brand and do believe this to be a Stanley 45.
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I have some very good evidence of this and go into depth on my video.
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The plane is very clean and I look forward to cleaning it up and learning to use it. If any of you know some good resources please post them.

Watch the movie and let me know what you think!

Please be careful. Some of the things I do are dangerous. It is not my fault if you get hurt. Use your brain, be safe.

24 Responses to Montgomery Ward 45

  1. Hi, Dave I very much in-joy your web site and especially the videos, I too love ebay its my primary place to buy old tools. I think your right it is a stanley and it looks to be in good nic too, in your video you mentioned the small blade being broken , my set has the same problem the small tab has broken off, there is not a lot of meat on that blade so its very weak, im just going to cut it off and cut a new one, So well done on the find Dave, some times you just have to take the risk and buy something and hope it pays off, in this case it did. Keep up the good work.

    Steve D

    • David Bardin says:

      Thank you Steven. Yes the Bay is addictive and I wish I had more shop space to hoard TOOLS!
      I think I will just fight adjusting the small one. You are correct once the check is cut out for adjustments there is not a whole lot left. Just think all the irons in the first ones were manually set. I bet that was a pain in the butt.
      I have had mostly good luck with the bay. It is all in the pictures. Scrutinize them and you get what you see. If they don’t take pictures of the important parts that means there usually hiding something.
      Thank you for the kind words and for taking the time to post.
      Please feel free to come again.
      Dave

  2. William says:

    I finally got around to getting on my computer. For some reason, my phone will not allow me to watch your videos on it.
    I agree that this is a rebranded Stanley 45. You are the plane expert (or at least you know more about them than I), but I have ran across this very thing on a variety of tools.
    I had a set of screwdrivers once that belonged to my grandfather. The box they came in and the handles had Montgomery Ward stamped on them. However, if you looked closely, Stanley was steel stamped on the steel shank near the ferrules.
    This was done with a lot of companies. I also have had numerous Sears and Roebuck ratchets (back when I done mechanic work) that had to be repaired (remember when you could actually repair those things?). The thing is, when you broke them down to repair, they had parts in them stamped with the Craftsman name. Also, the new parts were Craftsman parts. This, in my opinion, only further proved that Sears and Roebuck and Craftsman were one and the same, but with different brandings. I’ve seen it a lot.
    This same thing is going on today. I’ve had some people get downright mad at me when I suggest that my Harbour Freight lathe is the same as a certain Jet model. However, not one single person has been able to point to me any differences besides the paint color, legs supplied with it, and the brand label.
    Have fun with your 45. I have to get down there one day for a demo now, since I also dream of one day owning a 45.

    • David Bardin says:

      William it is so good to see you here.
      I am glad you agree and you are more than an expert to me.
      Montgomery and Sears both did a lot of this. My problem is you have to hold the tool to tell if it was quality. The older the stores got the worse the quality got.
      I agree on the lathe. I have seen two of different companies that are the exact dementions and shape as the one I have. Made in China. But it works well and it is so hard to find tools that are not made in China now.
      Now that I know you are looking for one I will be on the hunt for it.
      I picked up a Ward 45 in Tupelo and set it back down because it wasn’t a Stanley. I wont make that mistake again.
      Again it is good to see you here. Thank you for your time.
      The video thing is most likely a flash issue.
      Just try my youtube page, search for Dave Bardin and you will find me.

  3. Joe Lyddon says:

    Hi Dave!

    Yep, I think you’ve very nicely proved, beyond a shadow of any doubt, that you have a Stanley 45.

    Case very well presented…

    Looking forward to seeing how you use some those fancy cutters…

    Actually, when you think of the Cost of having a dedicated plane for each cutter in the set, this is a very cheap price for the whole thing!

    I think I saw Roy Underhill show it on one of his shows recently… a very wonderfully designed tool!

    Thank you.

    • David Bardin says:

      Hello Joe!!!!
      I am so glad you think so.
      Me to.
      I agree to, seeing as I am a cheep skate. I am so cheep I squeak when I walk.
      But the cool factor is way up there.
      Thanks for stopping by Joe and commenting. Please come again. You are always welcome.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Dave, You are correct about Monkey Ward and Sears subbing out their tools. I have a 1945 outboard with the Montgomery Ward name on it that was made by Tecumseh. They also made this same motor for Sears and any other Joe’s Bar and Grill that was looking for some advertising merchandise. This is way things were kept affordable back then. I had read a piece a while back that told of this and if I can find it, I’ll pass it along…..

    • David Bardin says:

      I was waiting for someone to call it a MOnkey Ward. I would love to read that piece.
      On Google+ one guy wrote this

      Michael Olsen

      Great question

      Lakeside tools (Montgomery Ward exclusive) are what is known as a “stamped” brand. This is, the brand is a true brand, but it only relates to the retailer, not the manufacturer. Craftsmand and Kenmore are other well know examples of a “stamped” brand exclusive to Sears. This is a common marketing practice dating back to the late 1700’s, allowign a patent holder to maintain exclusivity of manufacture while providing competative pricing for the consumer.

      The manufacturer for this item is in fact Stanley (i.e. all parts are made by Stanley and then branded Lakeside exclusively for Montgomery Ward retail). That said, Stanley was, and is, known to produce two or more quality levels of their products. Commonly the mid or lower quality became stamped brands providing better consumer pricing, while the higher quality remained Stanley in both manufacture and branding. It is impossible to know what the comparative manufacturing quality is in this case. It requires knowing the exact date of manufacture and the agreements in place between Mongomery Wardand Stanley at that time. The latter are private documents which now belong exclusively to Stanley and are neither required to be maintained nor made publicly available.

      • Michael Olsen says:

        Thanks for the quote Dave. My appologies for the typoes. I had a very rough night and was writing that rather early. Your kind comment on Google+ is deeply apreciated. I’m glad I could add something of value to the discussion.

        • David Bardin says:

          I am so glad you registered.
          I am to, lots of learning ahead of me.
          I do agree.
          Two main reasons I got this.
          One I wanted it and two to fill in the gaps of planes I didn’t have.
          Thank you!

  5. Anonymous says:

    Dave, you are completely wrong. I have no proof of this statement, and I will post as ANONYMOUSE

    It’s really Luke. KTMM. Great video, but I wanted to be the first to say you are wrong….

  6. Tom Baker says:

    By-gum Dave, you’ve got a Stanley, noooooo doubt about it! Nice buy you made, now enjoy the plane.

  7. Eric R says:

    That plane is lucky to have found your place as it’s home.
    Use it in good health my friend.

  8. DIYaholic says:

    I would have to say that what you have there is a very worthy tool gloat!
    Please let me be the first to say….
    YOU SUCK!!!

    Congrats on the great find and mighty fine deal!!!
    Cool, that you got more than you had realized. And that you and hence us, have learned a little along the way.

    I’ll be looking forward to seeing some projects made utilizing your “45”!!!

    • David Bardin says:

      I think you are right. I am sucking like a Hoover. 😉
      Thank you Randy. I have learned a lot. But there is so little on the interwebs about the 45. This to will change.
      I will to my friend. The chest of drawers I am building will have this tool applied to it.
      As always Randy thank you so much for all you do.

  9. David Nighswander says:

    Hi Dave,
    You hit the nail on the head. I have a few odd planes and one that I like a great deal is a Lakeside #3. Exactly the same as my Stanley #3 but since I got it before the Stanley it’s already clean and sharp. I’m keeping it just because it feels right but it’s either Stanley casting and parts or a exactly matching clone.
    My 45 is no where near as nice as your Lakeside. I got a deal on it but I’m missing some parts, mostly blades and the cam.
    I’ve had fun with my 45. It is kind of a pain to setup the first time but after a few trial runs it’s growing on me. You are right about having the blade sharp. Even with a sharp blade knotty pine is always going to be a challenge with the open frame.

  10. Anonymous says:

    Hi Dave,
    You hit the nail on the head. I have a few odd planes and one that I like a great deal is a Lakeside #3. Exactly the same as my Stanley #3 but since I got it before the Stanley it’s already clean and sharp. I’m keeping it just because it feels right but it’s either Stanley casting and parts or a exactly matching clone.
    My 45 is no where near as nice as your Lakeside. I got a deal on it but I’m missing some parts, mostly blades and the cam.
    I’ve had fun with my 45. It is kind of a pain to setup the first time but after a few trial runs it’s growing on me. You are right about having the blade sharp. Even with a sharp blade knotty pine is always going to be a challenge with the open frame.

    • David Bardin says:

      Hello!
      I know they used Stanley and Sargent a lot! Stanley had some lesser models but I do not know if they used them. I would like to find a Stanley of the same type and see if the moldings are exactly the same. That would prove if it was pored in the same mold.
      I see lots of parts a pieces on the eBay all the time. I hope you find the missing parts for a fair price and you complete your 45.
      Thank you for the comment and your time. Please come again.
      Dave

  11. JL7 says:

    Well Dave, I think your evidence is overwhelming…….might have to start calling you Super Sleuth Dave….That is a real beauty and clearly a fantastic buy! I can’t believe you have all the blades, little bits and the manual……….

    No question on the “Stanley” removal on the handle, even if they simply “copied” the Stanley manual.

    As I mentioned before, I have my Grandpa’s old Stanley No. 46. It’s missing some parts, but it’s uber cool…..When I’m in your neighborhood, I’m going to bring it along and let you critique it. The 46 used the angled cutters, not sure what all the other differences are.

    Good to see you in the shop, hope all is well in Dave’s world and keep posting……….

    Jeff

    • David Bardin says:

      Thanks Jeff you should have seen me when I was studying the manual and found Stanley in it. I went running through the house looking for my wife to show her.
      It is complete down to the washers. I was so pleased when I received it and took a closer look.
      I agree and there are many instances of other people noticing the removal of the Stanley mark.
      Owww a 46. Those are rare. I would be honored to take a look Jeff.
      I have had sum time in the shop. I thought I would have had more with a week off but that is the way it goes.
      All is well today and thank you for the thought.

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